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June 10, 2015 , , ,

Deranged State

There is some evidence that members of the Dyatlov group were in a deranged state when they left the tent.  The idea first came to Lev Ivanov’s mind when he was conducting his investigation back in 1959.   Many years later when retired in Kazakhstan he made a statement that the UFO was responsible for the tragedy. But his very first version was murder  yet not an ordinary one. He suggested that something or somebody first affected their minds and than physically destroyed some of them.

He told about it to Vladislav Bienko, 77, (same age with Dyatlov) who now lives in Minsk. Below is Bienko’s statement given recently to the Komsmolskaya Pravda newspaper. What is very ineresting in this interview is that Ivanov was on friendly terms with Bienko and thus shared his real thoughts with him.

Bienko fairly remembers the winter of 1959 and all of  the group members because he was supposed to go with them to that expedition to Otorten. Three days before the expedition Bienko was forbidden to participate by the University Komsomol Organization. The reason was his previous skipping obligatory work for students. He was sent to work instead of going with his friends.

“There was nothing I could do about it, “he said,” All my provision and equipment I gave to Zolotarev who replaced me”

“We know that you personally have worked with the investigator Ivanov?”

– The prosecutor criminologist Lev Nikitich Ivanov was young, intelligent and honest. Once the first news of the tragedy arrived, he involved me with his work. While he had to be present on the scene, he sent to me the first photographic film from the camera of Yuri Krivonischenko. I was in Sverdlovsk.  The film had to be developed urgently, so I developed it  that very night at my apartment and printed photos of the last day of the group. Truth be told, in my heist I poorly washed paper and the photos now got yellowish.

– Amazing! Why Ivanov has entrusted the film to you, the student, rather than to any forensic expert?

– I do not know. Perhaps he trusted me. And secondly, he was keen to see ASAP-what was there, in the photos? Maybe their departmental lab was not working due to the weekend. Also Ivanov asked me to look through some newspaper articles about UFOs before his departure to the scene. Such reports have appeared in some newspapers of the northern district of Sverdlovsk region, including the major newspaper “Tagil Worker”. Later, when Ivanov returned to Sverdlovsk, he requested additional information from police stations and meteorological services about possible UFO observations in the period close to 1 February 1959. But no one could explain. Ivanov even wrote to the Ministry of Defence of the USSR: are those bright flying spheres, which so many people have eyewitnessed, have anything to do with military or space rocket, or even with any aircraft?

He sent the request and did not expect an answer. But the answer came quickly, in just a couple of weeks, which surprised Ivanov a lot. He was informed that no launches of the  missiles in the area was carried out. It is possible that it was exactly so, because witnesses say that they saw bright spheres above the horizon, which means that even if the was a rocket, it flew far away from the scene of the tragedy. Had it been in the Northern Urals, then the phenomenon would have been visible in meridian. Ivanov  questioned Mansi as well if they had seen something unusual? He collected all the possible information. And he tried to understand what was the reason? He was convinced till the end that the guys left the tent deliberately and in good health, except for the mind. That is to say, they were physically fine but off their heads. But what was the cause of this insanity remained a mystery for Ivanov.  Apparently, it is only in the forest when their the ability to think sensibly returned to them. They tried to go back into the tent, but it was too late – the wind and frost destroyed them.

– So what was his version at that time?

– When Ivanov returned from the scene of the tragedy, he told me that if he was superstitious, he would believe in devilry (чертовщина which means involvement of the infernal). What happened with the guys could not be result of natural processes. The slope where there was a tent is impossible to call steep. Only the mentally sick could imagine an avalanche there…

After Ivanov visited the spot  where the last four bodies were found, and came back, I did not recognize him. From an energetic acumen and socialable person, he turned into a depressed, indifferent. He seemed to have aged for ten years. In responce to my questions, he only said, “You know, Slava, it seems to me that there were two impacts of the elemental forces unknown to us: first – it was a mental impact bs it kicked them out of the tent just out of the blue, and the second – the physical impact that destroyed the three who went away from the main group”.

– Perhaps, Ivanov learned something that was a state secret?

– I can not say.

Lately I stumble on yet another one evidence of the idea that the students were in a strange state. It was an oinion of a modern coroner Eduard Tumanov who was given their autposy reports for analysing. Tumanov said that the burn of the 3d degree observed at Yuri Krivonischenko’s leg couldn’t have been the result of his attempt to fight the freezing of his limbs by the fire. To get his leg burn to  such a degree  (charring) one would have been not feeling pain due to some intoxication, like on a drug, he said. (Given that it was not a post-mortem burn).

Interestingly, that Mikhail Serdyuk, who represents the Khanty-Mansi federal subject in Russian Parliament suggested that students were given something to drink or eat by the Mansi when their encounter took place. The hunters could advise them to consume it in order to infuse themselves with strength.

What do you think?


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4 Comments

    • It is an interesting point but it is not easy to have it proved. We don’t have much information on how exactly psychic weapons were tested at that time. Anyone has?

  • Everyone wants to see some sort of magic or space alien or tribal murder or Soviet State testing of weapons and etc and then a centrally orchestrated cover up — but I don’t think so:

    1) any cover up could be the result of local officials not wanting to look inefficient and/or incompetent.

    2) ALL — I repeat ALL ! — of the injuries are consistent with natural causes. I have been reading about the witnessed effects of ball lightning which can be anything from severe damage from air explosions (like thunder with normal lightning but a few feet away) to quietly dissipating with no noise nor harm at all.

    3) the bodies were NOT — I repeat NOT ! — heavily contaminated with radiation — as some idiots have claimed. The levels recorded on some few pieces of clothing (which had low-level radiation) were consistent with sloppy clean-up in the rad-labs where some of the students worked. I have seen (in the USA) clean-up of low level radioactive by mop and pail — which would spread it around and contaminate the mop itself.

    4) I have been reading about ball lightning since reading about this tragedy (a year ago) and note that ball lightning can pass through small openings (like the flap of a tent, and are attracted to metal …… like the sheet metal stove they had in the tent. Why was it not set up on that cold night ? The answer could be two-part, first they were in a storm and the wind would interfere with the proper venting of the fire. Secondly, if there was lightning (normal lightning not ball) that would certainly prevent them from setting up what would be considered a lightning attractor on a bald and snow-covered hillside — remember these are Polytechnic students, the very cream of Soviet education, they are not dumb peasants (my apologys to all peasants — most of whom are far more honest and reliable than the educated)

    5) I agree with the “deranged state” theory — but not the suggested cause (drugs, alcohol, sex party, secret government experiments etc.) — more likely ball lightning entered the tent by or through the flap opening AFTER one of these had exploded and injured several who had gone outside the tent to observe the weird light phenomena — which then headed their way (see the “last photo” of a large blob of light going right at the camera ! ) Take my word for it: if a ball of some unknown light phenomena exploded right next to YOU, causing injuries to several of your comrades …….. YOU would run as fast as you could back into your tent — and if a ball of the same light followed you into the tent, YOU would slice your way out of the other end of the tent as fast as possible (after all, one or more balls acted like a bomb !) You wouldn’t even stop to dress as escape is more important than being blown up. Once outside in the dark, I think the students made a fateful error — they ran down the wrong side of the hill. Remember, they had a cache of extra clothing and etc. nearby (down the other side); all they had to do was get there. Death by hypothermia would happen within 20 minutes if near naked in a Siberian blizzard and more slowly if clothed but injured.

    6) in fact: balls of light were reported by several different groups — including two by low-level military personnel involved in the search / recovery ; one of which reported balls of light coming down the slope and headed for them. (they ducked into their tent and escaped harm after radioing the report in to their command. They all reported psychological trauma from the event.

  • I have a different thought that has escaped all of us and should be considered:

    1) the hikers were all educated and/or on their way to a degree in the sciences; as such they would be initially, more interested in (any natural phenomena – including rarely see forms of ball-lightning) rather than terrified. I think someone was outside the tent (call of nature) and with a flashlight, and saw some balls of light moving around and called out to his comrades to quickly come out and see. This might explain the lack of (concern) over dressing — the urge to see something that seems ephemeral.

    2) The students might have lined up near the tent to view — but things quickly turned deadly — an air-explosion of some sort of lightning (ball) very close to them injures some of them badly. They retreat back into the tent but it is too late — one of the balls follows them into the tent (no real evidence it exploded) but THIS would cause any rational human to slice their way out the far end of the tent and run for their lives.

    Thus we may have been missing the probability that the students were NOT DERANGED, but rather, were doing the only thing that would keep them alive — that is — flee as fast as possible. The various members were left at various distances to watch and see when the balls left the tent area — but you don’t last long in Siberian winter without clothes. They expected the balls to go away but they might not have done so very quickly. (attracted to the metal of the stove?) It is also possible that balls followed some of the students to the forest line and injured those students there. (the worst injured seem to be the furthest away)

    We have mistaken their naked dash for safety for temporary insanity when they might not have had a choice.

    I have found an interesting narrative (in several sources) by a fellow named Yuri Yakimov (a mining foreman) who claims that he say similar lights — and that these lights seemed to react to his gaze by coming toward him (attracted by the reflected light of his eyes ?? — we only know that when he averts the gaze of his eyes, the lights go away) In his narrative he tells how no one would believe him; and then he finds that someone else (a forestry ranger) had the exact same experience about ten years later. In fact all of the sightings are close to the same area. Could there be a natural reason for ball lightning to do this? — somehow following the reflected light of the eyes ? All we know is that the ranger also discovered that he could hide from the balls of lights. The relative electrical conditions of the two (non-students) events must have been vastly different from the bald and snow-covered mountainside that the students were on — and so the reactivity of the balls of light might be a little different also.

    Anyway, google Yuri Yakimov and you will find his narrative.

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